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9:37 Thu Sep 10
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The NTSB have not seen fit to ground planes with that model of GE engine yet. Neither do GE seem to have made a statement.
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Far Cough
9:35 Thu Sep 10
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Sounds like there is something dodgy on that particular GE engine, stick to RR I say
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Herts Hammer
9:32 Thu Sep 10
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This may be relevant - http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/e320fd22cf917da1862578cd0046bc80/$FILE/2011-15-06.pdf
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Herts Hammer
9:04 Thu Sep 10
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So it sounds like the compressor stage inside the engine let go.
Individual fan blades should not be able to penetrate the casing if they come off - The engine is designed to be strong enough to contain them. However, a complete disk failure will release too much kinetic energy to be containable. Especially if the engine is spinning at take off thrust, which this one was.
Given what the initial NTSB statement says, it would appear then, that for some reason the engine did experience a complete disk failure in the compressor stage.
When those disks let go, they go in any direction, and nothing on the plane will stop them. They could easily have shot straight through the passenger cabin, and any passengers in their way.
Very lucky that they appear to have primarily launched straight into the ground.
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Herts Hammer
8:46 Thu Sep 10
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NTSB Issues Update on the British Airways Engine Fire at Las Vegas
Sept. 10, 2015
As part of its ongoing investigation into Tuesday’s engine fire that occurred during takeoff of British Airways flight 2276, a Boeing 777, at McCarran International Airport (LAS), the NTSB today released the following investigative update.
NTSB investigators arrived on scene Wednesday morning local time to begin the on-scene investigation. The NTSB investigative team includes experts in powerplants, airplane systems, and fire. The following groups will be organized: powerplants, airworthiness (airplane structure, systems, and fire), flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.
Parties to the NTSB investigation are the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), The Boeing Company, and GE Aviation. In accordance with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Annex 13, the UK Air Accidents Investigations Branch (AAIB), as the State of the Operator, has appointed an accredited representative to assist the investigation. The UK accredited representative has initially appointed British Airways and the UK Civil Aviation Authority as technical advisors.
The following are the initial factual findings:
• British Airways flight 2276, a Boeing 777-200ER, equipped with two GE90-85B engines, registration G-VIIO, was operating under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 129 and was enroute to London - Gatwick Airport (LGW), Horley, England.
• There were 157 passengers, including 1 lap child, and 13 crew members on board. There were several minor injuries as a result of the evacuation (mostly abrasions).
• The flight data recorder, cockpit voice recorder and quick access recorder have arrived at the NTSB Vehicle Recorder Laboratory and are currently being downloaded.
• On Tuesday evening, the airplane was photographed and the runway debris documented by FAA and airport officials before airplane was towed to secluded area of the airport (in order to reopen the runway).
• Initial examination of the left engine revealed multiple breaches of the engine case in the area around the high pressure compressor.
• Examination of the material recovered from runway found several pieces of the high pressure compressor spool (approximately 7-8 inches in length).
• Initial examination of the airplane by NTSB revealed that the left engine and pylon, left fuselage structure and inboard left wing airplane were substantially damaged by the fire. This damage will be documented over the next several days.
The powerplants and airworthiness groups will continue documenting the airplane and engine over the next several days. It is anticipate that once the tooling is in place, the left engine will be removed and shipped to a facility to conduct a full teardown.
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Son of Anarchy
6:52 Thu Sep 10
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It amateur hour, never again.
I just put a claim in for compensation.
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Northern Sold
6:50 Thu Sep 10
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Lack of planes SoA... always put me off midget companies like them... like another Travel City Direct... once one plane goes out you are well and truly fucked...
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Son of Anarchy
6:39 Thu Sep 10
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I was stuck in London, Norwegian Air cancelled my flight, then cancelled the replacement. 3 days those cunts stranded my for.
The CUNTS
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Far Cough
6:10 Thu Sep 10
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SoA, good job you missed it otherwise your sweaty ballbag would have got singed
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Son of Anarchy
6:07 Thu Sep 10
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I missed it as I was stuck in London, looked bad.
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Kenny Powers
6:03 Thu Sep 10
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"So Wiki is wrong then?"
Very often.
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Mike Oxsaw
6:00 Thu Sep 10
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Anyhow, back to the main issue.
This house believes that MY laptop/duty free/souvenirs/general hand baggage is worth much (MUCH) more that that pitiful existence which you pass off as a life, so I'm well within my rights to make sure I get all my shit off an aircraft in distress before all the losers get a go.
Anyone got a problem with that?
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Joe C
5:50 Thu Sep 10
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Whoever it was before the Whuffy/Coughy argument started that said they reckoned a fan blade had blown - wasn't that
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/09/21/2C1F2C7900000578-3228323-image-a-59_1441829040882.jpg
All still intact there, explosion was further down the engine, which is a very unusual place for it to happen
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Far Cough
2:08 Thu Sep 10
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Sold, all under control mate, you teletexter fan
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Far Cough
2:07 Thu Sep 10
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I supplied a link describing how deicing works on engine inlets but you have ignored that
Of course air is forced through them, it's called bleed air and it's because you would get ice build up at altitude and that could break off, be ingested and cause damage to the engine
I suggest you take a closer look at those "rivets" next time and upload the photo here
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Northern Sold
2:04 Thu Sep 10
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Fucking hell Cough .... you taken your pills this morning... you are absolute in everyones FACE today...
* join the queue here to have a spat with Far Cough *
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whufcroe
2:03 Thu Sep 10
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Just think about it
IF these were holes, air would be forced through them, disrupting the air flow and at such a force and speed it would put massive pressure the structure.
I've flown on Eastjet dozens of times and seen the engines up close many, many times and I can assure you there are no holes. They are rivets.
Still you can c&p as much as you like that doesn't back up your point.
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mr blue sky
2:03 Thu Sep 10
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Croe you run a travel agents and you are not a plane maintenance or design engineer stick to what you know fucking idiot
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Far Cough
2:02 Thu Sep 10
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Buster, to be fair it is
http://www.google.com/patents/US20120241561
Describing how deicing works on engine inlets
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Buster
1:59 Thu Sep 10
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This is right up there with the shittest arguments I've ever seen on WHO.
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Far Cough
1:58 Thu Sep 10
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Yes they use rivets on the fuselage not so much on engines which need quick access for easy maintenance
So Wiki is wrong then?
Engine-inlet icing
"Ice accumulation on the leading edge (lip) of engine inlets causes flow problems and can lead to ice ingestion. In turbofan engines, laminar airflow is required at the face of the fan. Because of this, most engine ice protection systems are anti-ice systems (prevent build up)."
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